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Friday, July 24, 2009

Vitamin C Facts

UPDATE: July 28 - Here is some additional information that may be useful to you regarding the flu propaganda. Additional vitamin C is helpful for your animal companions as well.
I recently cured myself and my wife using that "miracle drug" vitamin C, and I posted an article "What Doctors Don't Know". This article is scheduled to appear in the Holistic Health Magazine in September. It is reprinted below. I would appreciate it if everyone on this list copies at least the part about Preventing Autism, and passes it on to every pregnant woman. This will greatly lower the autism birth rate considerably.

What Your Doctor Doesn't Know

Here are 3 simple secrets that are unknown (or ignored) by the medical profession and bitterly disputed by Big Pharma that routinely publishes phony research and myths against them.

1. Plain cheap vitamin C takes all minerals out of the blood by combining with them metabolically. It's cheaper and safer than any other method.

2. The same vitamin C kills viruses - also by combining with them metabolically.

3. The ONLY bad side effect possible using vitamin C is diarrhea.

Few MD's know this because they get little or no vitamin information in med school, and med journals depend on drug advertising for their existence. Any journal that told the truth would go out of business.

As the only PhD in the Orthomolecular Medical Society, I could not use EDTA or other chelation drugs to get toxic minerals out of a patient. In 1981, I had my first case of schizophrenia from a high copper/zinc cause. I asked Carl Pfeiffer what to do in such a case. He told me that he thought vitamin C could be used, and referred me to Linus Pauling. Linus spent a half hour of his time mentoring me in the use of vitamin C for this.

After using vitamin C for many years to "cure" mineral toxicity in many cases of schizophrenia (copper/zinc ratio) and depression (mercury toxicity), I KNOW that vitamin C works!

I have personally been taking 4000 mg (4 grams) per day for years. And all my mineral analysis results for years have shown either very low levels of all toxic minerals, or actually immeasurable amounts. I know that this safe and cheap method works personally. (A copy of my recent hair analysis is available showing this "proof".)

I recently cured the what I believe was the swine flu in myself and my wife in 24 hours using only vitamin C. For the flu, it took 48 grams per day (6 each 1000mg pills every 3 hours) for both my wife and I to beat it.

The RDA of only 75 mg per day allows people to think that this is healthy, not realizing that this small amount is the MINIMUM just to prevent scurvy.

Talk to a vet in the zoo who takes care of primates (primates are apes, monkeys and us), and you'll find out that the RDA to keep a 150 pound ape healthy is 4 grams per day for good health. This is the same for you and I - I take 2 grams AM and PM.

The first two FACTS listed above about vitamin C lead to two different therapies related to Autism, and a very important one for virus curing.

1. That first fact makes for a simple, safe therapy to Prevent Autism by taking toxic minerals (mostly mercury) out of the pregnant woman prior to birth. This leads to the tiny infant liver being able to handle mercury in toxic amounts, not only from vaccines, but from environmental sources such as mothers milk, and mercury from every coal burning power plant around. Basically, this simple system has the expectant mother taking at least 2 grams of vitamin C at breakfast and dinner, leaving other vitamins and minerals for lunch. Increase to 3 grams each time if mother has 6 months or less remaining. Remember that vitamin C takes out good minerals along with the toxic ones, so it's necessary to put back the good ones. (Details on

2. This same fact helps persons with autism remove mercury, lead, and aluminum from the blood, safely, effectively, and cheap! These all can do damage to the brain. Doing this is essential to any autism "cure". (A complete article on this therapy was featured in the August issue of this magazine, and may be found at

3. The other fact dictates the use of vitamin C in huge amounts immediately when any sign of a cold or flu shows up. Start taking at least 6 grams of vitamin C pills every three hours until diarrhea starts. At that point. drop to 6 every 4-5 hours. The idea is to keep high in vitamin C, but not high enough to cause diarrhea. Diarrhea shows that the bloodstream is finally "saturated", and "overflowing". Until that point, virus cells are increasing by doubling every 20 minutes or so.

See now why phony research about vitamin C and virus using 500 mg to 1 gram is useless? If it even kills off half of the virus cells, in 20 minutes after it's used up, the virus is back to full strength. As one researcher put it, "the only mistake is not using enough vitamin C."

For more information, go to On the "navigation" section, there are many articles on vitamin C, and using it for the above therapies.

Please help me get this Prevent Autism simple safe and cheap information out to pregnant women everywhere. We can stop this epidemic or at least slow it down easily without a lot of cost (a bottle of 500 one gram pills costs less than $20 at Costco or even WalMart.)

This is a case of not using Big Pharma's pet phrase "ask your doctor". They simply don't know.
Phil Bate PhD is a retired Orthomolecular Psychologist
And a pioneer in many new Alternate Health therapies.

UPDATE: July 24 - To foil the musings of mainstream medicine and mainstream media who wrongfully attack the use of supplements, especially vitamins C and E, here is a recent report on how these vitamins reduce mortality.

One main focus at Natural Health News is to get you to think for yourself and to move away from accepting everything you are told by the media and medicine without inquiring further.

Your life and your health may depend on it.
Vitamin C and E supplementation associated with reduced five year mortality

An article published online on July 13, 2009 in the American Journal of Epidemiology reported the results of a study conducted by researchers at Seattle's Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center which found that vitamin C and vitamin E supplement users had a lower risk of dying over a five year period than those who did not supplement.

For their analysis, Gaia Pocobelli and colleagues evaluated data from 77,673 participants in the Vitamins and Lifestyle Study of men and women aged 50 to 76. Questionnaires completed between 2000 and 2002 provided information on the participants' supplement use over the previous ten years. Deaths that occurred over the following five years were classified as being due to cardiovascular disease, cancer, or other causes.

Over the follow-up period, 3,577 deaths occurred. Participants who reported using vitamin C and vitamin E supplements were found to have a lower risk of dying from any cause than those who did not use the supplements. Subjects whose vitamin C supplementation was in the top one-third of participants at an average daily dose of 322.1 milligrams per day or higher over the 10 year period had an 11 percent lower risk of dying than nonusers. Those whose vitamin E supplementation was among the highest third of participants at an average of 215.1 milligrams per day or more also experienced an 11 percent lower risk of dying over follow-up than those who did not supplement. When the analysis was restricted to those who never smoked, participants in the top third of vitamin C supplementation were found to have a 24 percent lower risk of dying than nonusers, and for those in the top third of vitamin E, the risk was 20 percent lower. A similarly decreased risk was shown for those whose body mass index was 30 or greater and those whose intake of fruit and vegetables was below the median. "Our findings of stronger associations between total mortality risk and use of vitamins C and E among persons with greater body mass index and lesser fruit and vegetable consumption are consistent with the hypothesis that any impact of vitamins C and E on total mortality risk may be stronger among persons with greater levels of oxidative stress," the authors write. "On the other hand, the associations between use of vitamins C and E and total mortality risk were stronger among never smokers than among current/recent smokers, yet smoking is thought to increase oxidative stress."

When mortality was examined by cause, multivitamin use of 6 to 7 days per week was associated with a 16 percent lower risk of cardiovascular disease death and vitamin E use averaging over 215 milligrams per day was associated with a 28 percent lower risk. In their introduction to the article, the authors note that oxidative damage, which can be prevented, in part, by antioxidant vitamins, has adverse effects on DNA, proteins, and lipids that is associated with diseases such as cancer and atherosclerosis. However, they recommend caution in interpreting the current study's findings, since supplement users tend to adopt other healthy lifestyle practices that reduce the development of major diseases and related mortality.
Originally posted June 2009:
1. The most "wrong" lie is that vitamin C is used for abortions, and causes them. Many years ago Dr Klenner fed over 300 pregnant women vitamin C in amounts from 5 to 10 grams per day (5000-10,000 mg) all during their pregnancy with not only no abortions or miscarriages, but in general much better health than average contemporaries.

2. The next lie stems from Big Pharma "research" that comes up every so often that vitamin C is not effective against either virus or bacteria. As Linus Pauling put it, "Law: the number one side effect of vitamins is failure to take enough of them."

These "studies" are usually done by people that think that because the FDA for C is only 75 mg, that 500 mg is a "megadose". Remember that 75 mg is the amount that will JUST prevent scurvy. It is not even close to good health. Learn and Remember four facts:

a. Bacteria and virus both multiply in a binary replication, i.e., they double every 20 minutes or so.

b. You MUST saturate the bloodstream, and keep it saturated for several hours to kill ALL of the infecting agents.

c. The only effect from overdosing on vitamin C is diarrea.

d. The RDA for a 150 pound primate in a zoo is 4000 mg per day. (Ask a vet, NOT an MD about vitamin C.)

500 mg of vitamin C daily will not kill even half of the infecting agents, even if taken at one time. It takes a minimum of 2000 mg (2 grams) to do this, and that lasts only 2-4 hours. It is used up by combining with the infecting agent very quickly. How long vitamin C lasts in the bloodstream depends on how much, and what jobs it has to do.

So, even assuming that 500 mg kills of half of the infection, just 20 minutes later the infection is right back to where it started. This means that in the best conditions, in one hour after the vitamin C was taken, the virus or bacteria is twice as strong as when it started.

These studies underwritten by Big Pharma is only a small part of it's efforts to protect their income. Another example: If women knew that vitamin B6 and magnesium stopped PMS, how much money would they lose on Midll, and various other drugs? It's money folks!

3. The last is something few MD's are even aware of (again due to Big Pharmas "brainwashing".) Vitamin C and glutathione are the two natural chelation chemicals that get toxic minerals and other toxins out of the body. Why don't MD's know this simple fact? They're "educationally handicapped" first by the medical training which doesn't devote any real time to vitamins and minerals, second by the fact that no medical journals (where they get their updated medical info) simply cannot publish vitamin information, or Big Pharma will cut their advertising - the lifeblood of all med journals.

Because I was unable to prescribe the "usual" drugs (EDTA or Penicillamine) in my practice, I was forced to look for an alternate. Carl Pfeiffer , the foremost expert (then and still IMO), told me to try vitamin C. I used in my practice for successful treatment of over 10 high copper schizophrenia patients. An interesting sidelight - all such patients lost all of the schizophrenic symptoms within days of taking vitamin C.

The following is found in Dr Klenner's "Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C",

Heavy Metal Poisonings: Especially lead and mercury--are controlled with Vitamin C injections and oral intake. An intake of Vitamin C daily will protect animals--and by extrapolation, humans--from fatal doses of mercury. If a guinea pig needed 200 mg one day to protect it from an otherwise fatal dose of mercury, the human would need 14 grams daily. Smaller doses would be able to protect the body from smaller amounts of the toxin.

Lead poisoning: 350 mg of Vitamin C per one kg of body weight taken intramuscularly every two to four hours; recovery in less than 72 hours.
The "greats" in the Orthomolecular Medical Society, Linus Pauling, Carl Pfeiffer, Emanuel Cheraskin, William J. McCormick, Irwin Stone, Robert F. Cathcart, and Andrew Saul all agree with me on the use of vitamin C as opposed to drugs.

For all those who would like to learn more about vitamin C as an old "miracle drug" here are some unbiased info by a few of these "greats",

Dr. Frederick R. Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C is posted in its entirety at

The complete text of Irwin Stone's book The Healing Factor is posted for free reading at

A very large number of full-text papers on curing illness with vitamin C are posted at . These include Frederick R. Klenner. by Andrew Saul

from Phil Bate PhD, orthomolecular pioneer


Linilla said...

Good to know! However, read for a perspective. It doesn't really negate what Dr. Klenner found because his patients were probably farther along in pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

The other fact dictates the use of vitamin C in huge amounts immediately when any sign of a cold or flu shows up. Start taking at least 6 grams of vitamin C pills every three hours until diarrhea starts.

Anonymous said...

Very Informative article, It has cover all the importance of vitamin C in general life. Thanks a lot for adding autism birth issue. I was not aware about this issue and their relation to vitamin C. My wife is pregnant I would like to provide her vitamin rich food as a precaution. Best Regards